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Are the uncertainty principle's all based on the limitations that come from being an inside observer in this universe?

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The fundamental "building blocks" proposed by quantum theory, understandably would limit an observer's interactions at a certain resolution to absolute constraints. Does this principle exist as an "unfortunate artifact" or do each of the related pairs of variables (i.e. velocity & location of a electron) truly exist as precise values at any given time, simply outside of the possibility of deriving accurately as a pair. What of the possibility of an "outside observer" to the universe, assuming there was a more "finely divided fabric" in this hypothetical extra-universal region, being able to "nondestructively" make such measurement pairs.would valid variable sets be expected to be found since the measurement process should not have an effect on the quantum based particle, or does the uncertainty relationship exist as a actual phenomena that "TRULY" occurs even from such an inert point of reference? (for the sake of argument - If this is so, one would believe even an all knowing "God" would not be able to know any of these value pairs, since their dual-existence is null or indeterminate
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OMG, isn't that one of the main questions quantum physics, ontology and theology is trying to answer?

But to answer your first question, yes, according to Heisenberg. Can you really have an "inert point of reference" when it comes to subatomic particles?

Anyways, one of the recent challenges to Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle is Quantum Memory. Research scientists are attempting to entangle a particle with quantum memory with the theory that if they then measure one of the particles variables, the quantum memory entanglement should allow the corresponding state to be measured. The thought is that finally certain pairs of variables could have their state measured at the exact same time. They believe this method could be applied to the notoriously difficult variables of position and momentum.

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Hello Ludaba20
I had no idea that the first concept you remarked on extendedbeyondd my brain!

And as to my question you started off seeming to miss that I was asking about what is really happening, are there real values assigned to each variable, but we just may never be able to know both accurately? Or is QP actually dictating that they exist in some "twisted" state where both REAL values never really exist (sounds weird I know, but what isn't weird at that level of magnitude compared to our level!

But if this memory concept allows both readings to be made (assuming it doesenactinact anotuncertaintyianty into the experiment somehow!) So if it's eventually works, probablybibly means both values, do in-fact exist!

Thank you for your input!

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What you say is very true, Metrot48

But, I have no means of getting to space, or the depths of the sea currently.

I have thought about these concepts, but they hold my interest to a lesser degree than the universe I am currently existing within, and interacting with, and when you think about it...I am the universe (or part of it rather), an outgrowth of it or the current-product of the universe interested in understanding part of it itself! Why? hmm....

Deep,...huh?!

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We want to explore space but have not yet explored the ocean of our planet.

We want to understand the relationship between space and time but have not yet mastered our own minds.

We want to understand creation so we can master destruction.

It seems everything we do is hampered by the massive limitations of our perception.

Ask this question again in about 30 million years, I will have to think about it.

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Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one should remain silent. Inside and outside make little sense in a spontaneously creative universe. All maths is tautology originating from the first split, when the whole was divided into two. TRULY 1+1=1.

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And no amount of Finnegans Wake will change the fact.

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