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What is beyond or outside the Universe?

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Where does the Universe end? All welcome to give your answers, and particularly, I want to hear from the 'mad professors' who are active on this site.
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Gurldo11 - any references to the aforementioned theories I have been fascinated with since my preteen years about how we are the universe's ultimate evolutionary-stage of itself at present, and it's trying to understand itself or something about itself for some reason that we are not aware of (guess it's a need to know type thing....and we just need to understand what were after not know why!)..... the universe seems to be examining itself from my point of view. and while this is a deep subject, I have trouble finding much REAL info on the matter. any GOOD sources? (yes it may sound weird, but it makes more sense to me than any pie-in-the-sky religion - there's no flying people with feathery wings, fire breathing red men, or massive surplus of free virgins floating around in this conceptual construct!)


Well I said I'd return, and here I am. okay...and this time I have a bunch of answers, but I'd rather try to keep it smaller if I can this time =)

Ok, first off,.. when I say I have a" bunch of answers"...I actually mean I may, I have no Idea where I'm going with this!

hmmm.....I guess to describe something as null or maybe antispacetime is just as difficult to explain as this way will probably be, just a different approach to the same answer.

If, by chance (or design, or plan, or whatever you want to call it) the hypothetical "outer limits" or "edges" of our universe are expanding from the original moment of the big bang until now at the speed of light exactly by definition! Conflicting answers to this speed of expansion prove that this is not a ridiculous idea!

So from the moment anything came into existence, if you emerged from the original singularity....SOMEHOW! .... fully evolved, grown, intelligent, and in the fastest possible rocket-ship with a full inertial running start at your top speed. ...never slowing down at all, even if you were traveling the speed of light somehow... you would never reach the end of the universe which is expanding in all directions at equally fast speeds....namely "c" or the speed of light. Even if you were to bob-and-weave through prearranged, strategically placed worm-holes that allowed you to move much larger distances than normal time would allow (say five trillion light years in a tenth of a second!) maintaining light-speed while passing through the worm-holes. See the universe is still one step ahead of us, seeming to be playing a game of anti-chicken with us!

The worm-holes don't help, they actually probably tend to slow you down on your trip to the edge of the universe, where you plan on getting out (quickly of course) and looking at the wonderful nothingness that you expect to see. No chance! You start off hot on the edges tail, and would remain RIGHT THERE forever, with your new special solar panels! So you deviated from your course to enter the tiny worm hole and emerge where? Well regardless of where, it will be inside the "boundaries" of the "edges" of the universe, by the very definition of a wormhole! So nothing ca move faster than light....wait...thats not true! you just happened to remember your "quantum entanglement teleportation unit" Sure you have upgraded it to allow it to transport more than mere cesium atoms, but you and your whole ship. So you launch an entangled particle out of your ship thats traveling at the speed of light (c) with a gun capable of launching it at a speed of c.

So you wait,.... a little bit more....and a little more,... and suddenly you watch it seem to be traveling at twice as fast as you are. so It must be breaking the laws of physics and just about to pass the edge of the universe and allow you to pass it by teleporting to the particles location from its matching partner you have on-board!

This is where things get weird. I'm don't really have much of a good way to describe what happens next, but either A happens or B happens or they both do at the same time.

A .) is that you see the particle finally pass the edge. No idea if it stiltrulyly exists or not or if it sucks up all the laws of physics and you vaporize with the universe?!! =) but it passes the edge from your frame of reference. if anyone was watching you from a telescope that moment could never exist until time was no longer observed. it would take infinite time for the event to finally occur, like taking a half step across the room from your starting point. then beginning again....you'll never reach the other side unless you cheat or mess up!) But what can we expect since were breaking all kinds of laws anyway traveling at c, shooting at velocity c, etc.. But I can't assure you that you will ever reach that point either. (the universe may outlive you before this occurs by a blink of an eye to your time perception) If you were traveling at even a smallest smudgent slower than c like is realistic, you would see it reach the edge. But the universe has tricked you again, because it's edge is still traveling faster by being the definition of the speed of light. So adding "c minus a billionth" to (c minus a billionth) would seem to have to be faster than c itself. But I don't think it works like that, any sub-light speed should remain asymptotic to c forever, regardless of how large the number you add is. so I think your done with this hopeful method.

B.) goes a little bit different. since your moving at c and the particle was shot at the addition speed of c (just like infinity plus infinity.... you bet: infinity) or in our case c, which is kinda like the real world infinity (maybe we need to recalibrate our numbers to match up c with infinity!?) But your realizing that your still flying at c but the particle that should be moving at 2c is seemingly motionless. This almost seems to point to you as the observer witnessing two different frames of temporal reference! What happened to special relativity? you are seeing yourself and your surrounding moving in opposite directions at c each but the light is all moving at c. so how can the quantum particle be comparatively motionless to you at the same time? and why does or doesn't the edge which is also moving at c seem motionless? You realize that the masters of the universe have won again, because you'll still never reach the edge, and the seemingly stationary particle is not of any more help then before you shot it! I wonder what your telescopic observer friend has just seen! could the particle appear to travel at a single c speed while you appeared stationary? and if so what about the edge of the universe, since it is still a foot in front of you. they wouldn't be able to see it! Even at sub-light speeds, which are technically possible they would definitely get quite a show, just hard to determine if it would take forever, or instantly be done!

Even if both A and B somehow occurred in some single-duality or uncertainty principle type of relationship. All roads lead to not reaching (let alone passing) the edge or being able to observe anything past it, like some fundamental truth.

So what is beyond the edge of the universe? It sounds like a nonsensical question! Maybe similar to "Besides the location where I'm standing right now, where am I?" or "Find me someone that doesn't exist!" or "Point out the direction to the past for me, please."

There may NOT be NOTHING beyond us here, but I CAN'T prove it"

How does a universe of "stuff" exist in a endless pool of nothingness? Well, how could it possibly exist over the top of something else?

So at that first moment when there was a single point of infinitely masslessness and energylessness which some call an absolute singularity, how could it have size if it was all that existed, just like now it was infinite in size. This brings up the point that if it was and always will be infinite in size, there couldn't possibly be anything else beyond it.

It completely fills nothingness to the point of infinite everythingness, so possibly the same yet opposite extremes or poles. You cant have a magnet with just north, cutting a magnet in half instead gives you the original north and a newly made south end, and a original south pole with a newly cut north pole! Just like opposite extremes, try to take a glass full of water and one empty one - then transfer any quantities you want back and forth, but each glasses volume of water or air will always end up being the exact opposite of the other glass's volume of air or water.

That's as simple as it can be explained.

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(oops, I forgot to keep my answer short!)

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I believe, there is two distinct parts, there is creation and there is the universes. Creation in my opinion is made from a Godly unknown simple equally distributed light. Light is the corner stone of existence, before anything turns physical it starts with light and frequencies. The weakness of our knowledge and technologies is that we still don't know a lot about light, I mean its maybe somehow known but for few elitists. As long as we don't know how to harness the energy let alone the the reality of light and its frequencies, we cannot reach to the secret of creation. From this pure light which is infinite and beyond all universes and matter, strong enormous magnetic like black holes absorb the light creating like black spots within the light. Those black spots or holes become the second part, which we call the universe. If you can imagine it like a big white sheet, which is creation, then there is a black space or circle in the center of the white sheet, which is a universe and also other black circles symbolizing other universes. The black holes are more like a universal magnetic vacuum( I don't mean black holes in the center of galaxies), the black hole I'm talking about is a universe by its own. Those magnetic vacuums ie.universes each absorb specific frequencies from this infinitely spread pure light, just like a beam of light entering the black vacuum and matter is then created within the black hole by enormous magnetism bringing together the electromagnetic waves and particles from this beam of light with certain specific frequencies. Each beam being sucked from the pure light into the magnetism has a specific code of frequencies, creating different universes with different basic frequency codes as a corner stone of each universe. That is why, in my opinion, there is parallel universes yet on different frequencies just like different music notes. Finally, the secret hides in the light that we take for granted! Get to know whats light first, then you can analyze slowly the big question mark.

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We are a species that prides itself, indeed defines itself, on the basis of knowledge and knowledge attainment. But the Universe is so vast that it is beyond our reach to explore its limits, as well as beyond our limits of understanding. The vastness of the Universe precludes any "logical" or scientific discussion of what may lie beyond its limits, if indeed it has limits. Speculation is our only recourse.

But that speculation has included some rather interesting ideas, not the least of which is the notion that the Universe is consciousness, and we, as a representation of consciousness, are synonymous with the Universe, at least in its two aspects of consciousness and matter. If we take the apparent infinitude of space as an indication of the relative importance of the two aspects, we might see that our own physical nature is of an inferior nature to our consciousness, the latter being more infinitely equatable than any physical matter could ever be. Matter gets spread more thinly as the distances become greater. But consciousness can encompass those distances without reduction or "watering down" of its essence.

So, what lies beyond the Universe? It is the same "thing" that lies beyond consciousness--a "realm" that displays neither matter, nor consciousness. As such, it is next to impossible for us to imagine or talk intelligently about.

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There are interesting theories on how our Universe is bounded. One idea is that the universe is like a bubble. Like real bubbles, the universe can expand and collapse. However, it takes practically an eternity for this to happen verses a split second.

What gave scientist this idea is that measurements of cosmic microwave background (CMB) using radio telescopes show that there is some kind of faint background glow. The background also reveals patterns. Some of these patterns look like "something" hit our universe, possible another universe. It is as if another bubble hit our bubble. It may have merged with our universe or may have bounced off. Another theory says that it was this collision that started the Big Bang or birth of our universe.

Whether the theory is true or not, we will never know but it is intriguing. There may be infinite bubble universes like ours and we may be connected in some way such as wormholes. Or these bubble universes are parallel dimensions. Some may be identical to our universe while others may be "bizzaro" and use laws of physics way different than the physics in our universe.

Interesting just to ponder these possibilities.

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Yes, the universe does end. No, it is not endless. Yes, it is expanding at an increasing rate. All those things are correct and have been proven, scientifically.

A fact that is rather unknown to the public, however, is what's behind all of that. At the end of the universe, one will discover a white nothingness. Within this white nothingness lies a book titled 'How women think' by God. One may read it, even comprehend it for a second but soon afterwards, your mind will explode.

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The universe, and space is never ending. "That's why they call it space, because there's a lot of it" - Under Siege 2..

The universe is never ending, and there is an unlimited amount of space out there. We would never be able to explore the end of the universe solely because it is SO large, so even if trillions and trillions of light years out there it does end, we will never know as of now, so it is safe to say that as of now, we know the universe is endless.

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Its a meaningless question. The big bang created space therefore for something to exist outside of space there would have to be.....more space. Its the same as what happened before the big bang. Time was created at the moment of the big bang therefore nothing can have happened before it.

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Its a meaningless question. The big bang created space therefore for something to exist outside of space there would have to be.....more space. Its the same as what happened before the big bang. Time was created at the moment of the big bang therefore nothing can have happened before it.

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No one knows, but the universe is expanding at an increasing rate. This created new hypothesis besides the big bang. One involves that outter matter is pulling the universe hence the acceleration. If you found out, more than likely you would win the nobel prize.

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